Comments on: “Wasting Breath” with US Bank Tower’s Security Team http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/ Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:13:09 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: discarted http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-836 discarted Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:40:12 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-836 john- a few questions: is it illegal to photograph the white house? an oil refinery? an FBI building? the pentagon? federal buildings? the hoover dam? nuclear power facilities? john-

a few questions:

is it illegal to photograph the white house?

an oil refinery?

an FBI building?

the pentagon?

federal buildings?

the hoover dam?

nuclear power facilities?

]]> By: discarted http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-835 discarted Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:10:57 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-835 And this is from someone who works for DHS...how ironic. If your statements are true and the footage that you claim exists does actually exist, which I highly doubt it, how come we have never seen that footage, nor has the media ever reported on your supposed claims. As a DHS employee, it is your responsibility to know the actual law and to follow it, rather than spread false information regarding public photography. No wonder this country is in a constant state of disrepair because it is constantly being managed by morons who don't know what they're doing. The best and the brightest should be running this country, not Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber types, which are ubiquitous throughout our government. You my friend are the perfect example of the peter principle in full effect. And this is from someone who works for DHS…how ironic.

If your statements are true and the footage that you claim exists does actually exist, which I highly doubt it, how come we have never seen that footage, nor has the media ever reported on your supposed claims.

As a DHS employee, it is your responsibility to know the actual law and to follow it, rather than spread false information regarding public photography.

No wonder this country is in a constant state of disrepair because it is constantly being managed by morons who don’t know what they’re doing.

The best and the brightest should be running this country, not Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber types, which are ubiquitous throughout our government.

You my friend are the perfect example of the peter principle in full effect.

]]> By: Jeremy Brooks http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-834 Jeremy Brooks Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:45:00 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-834 Sorry John, but I do not think you have a clue about what you are saying. Taking photographs of buildings from a public place is not against the law. In fact, it is not even a crime to take photographs of federal buildings (http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/02/so-now-the-feds-say-it-is-not-illegal-to-photograph-federal-buildings/), and attorney Bert P. Krages notes that "Note that neither the Patriot Act nor the Homeland Security Act have any provisions that restrict photography." (http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm). If you are going to make a public statement about what you believe to be true, be prepared to back it up. As it stands, you are just making broad statements that are clearly incorrect. Sorry John, but I do not think you have a clue about what you are saying.

Taking photographs of buildings from a public place is not against the law. In fact, it is not even a crime to take photographs of federal buildings (http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/02/so-now-the-feds-say-it-is-not-illegal-to-photograph-federal-buildings/), and attorney Bert P. Krages notes that “Note that neither the Patriot Act nor the Homeland Security Act have any provisions that restrict photography.” (http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm).

If you are going to make a public statement about what you believe to be true, be prepared to back it up. As it stands, you are just making broad statements that are clearly incorrect.

]]> By: Bryan Villarin http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-831 Bryan Villarin Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:46:47 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-831 John: Can you give us some links to back this up? John: Can you give us some links to back this up?

]]> By: John http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-830 John Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:13:52 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-830 Actually, you probably aren't aware, but since 9/11, the law has changed with DHS input (Dept. of Homeland Sec). It is a crime to photograph high rises and malls, believe it or not. This stems from Brookfield Properties, the property managment company of the World Trade Center properties in NY. Their security cameras show people (probably terrorists in the preparation stage) with hidden cameras wrapped up in newspapers, covertly filming the building one month before the attacks. Since then, the courts have held up convictions for filming buildings. Trust me, if you get convicted of this, you also get put into a database of potential terrorists. It's not pretty and can ruin a person's life. How do I know? I work for DHS. Actually, you probably aren’t aware, but since 9/11, the law has changed with DHS input (Dept. of Homeland Sec). It is a crime to photograph high rises and malls, believe it or not. This stems from Brookfield Properties, the property managment company of the World Trade Center properties in NY. Their security cameras show people (probably terrorists in the preparation stage) with hidden cameras wrapped up in newspapers, covertly filming the building one month before the attacks. Since then, the courts have held up convictions for filming buildings. Trust me, if you get convicted of this, you also get put into a database of potential terrorists. It’s not pretty and can ruin a person’s life. How do I know? I work for DHS.

]]> By: Photographers Effect Change at US Bank Tower « http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-623 Photographers Effect Change at US Bank Tower « Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:38:05 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-623 [...] In January a small group of photographers went to shoot photos in downtown Los Angeles and at the US Bank Tower, a building notorious for its aggressive, overzealous security staff. At the time, we were threatened and bullied by six security personnel – and told by Patrick Silver, the supervisor on duty, that we were on a private sidewalk (we weren’t) and he was going to call the police (he was bluffing). It was an unpleasant encounter, not to mention a certain violation of our rights. (See the video here.) [...] [...] In January a small group of photographers went to shoot photos in downtown Los Angeles and at the US Bank Tower, a building notorious for its aggressive, overzealous security staff. At the time, we were threatened and bullied by six security personnel – and told by Patrick Silver, the supervisor on duty, that we were on a private sidewalk (we weren’t) and he was going to call the police (he was bluffing). It was an unpleasant encounter, not to mention a certain violation of our rights. (See the video here.) [...]

]]> By: thekushlife http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-523 thekushlife Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:32:01 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-523 I use to work here it's horrible and they violate rights all the time... I use to work here it’s horrible and they violate rights all the time…

]]> By: “Maguire Properties” Threatens Me on YouTube « http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-315 “Maguire Properties” Threatens Me on YouTube « Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:41:39 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-315 [...] not sure if she has watched the video or listened to the longer audio portion, but I don’t understand how it’s not illegal [...] [...] not sure if she has watched the video or listened to the longer audio portion, but I don’t understand how it’s not illegal [...]

]]> By: Robert Aitchison http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-313 Robert Aitchison Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:14:29 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-313 I used to work in that building and can attest to the fact that they building security is beyond overzealous. They will bring up 9/11 more often than Rudy Gullanni to justify their policies of oppression even of their own tenants. I honestly believe that some of the managers and supervisors in charge of security actually get some sick pleasure out of their ability to exert their influence over others, I'm sure that a psychiatrist could have a field day with these guys. During one "discussion" their security supervisor, when he wasn't talking about 9/11 mentioned that he was "just doing his job" I reminded him that the same excuse was made by Nazi's in the Nuremberg trials. They didn't much like that and had reported to my HR department that I had called them Nazi's. Luckily my boss was there during the whole exchange and could back up what was actually said. I used to work in that building and can attest to the fact that they building security is beyond overzealous.

They will bring up 9/11 more often than Rudy Gullanni to justify their policies of oppression even of their own tenants.

I honestly believe that some of the managers and supervisors in charge of security actually get some sick pleasure out of their ability to exert their influence over others, I’m sure that a psychiatrist could have a field day with these guys.

During one “discussion” their security supervisor, when he wasn’t talking about 9/11 mentioned that he was “just doing his job” I reminded him that the same excuse was made by Nazi’s in the Nuremberg trials. They didn’t much like that and had reported to my HR department that I had called them Nazi’s. Luckily my boss was there during the whole exchange and could back up what was actually said.

]]> By: Rights of Photographers http://discarted.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/wasting-breath-with-us-bank-towers-security-team/#comment-311 Rights of Photographers Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:02:58 +0000 http://discarted.wordpress.com/?p=1443#comment-311 [...] more about their encounter at “Wasting Breath” with US Bank Tower’s Security Team and US Bank Tower: The Aftermath.  Some really great reporting on the incident.  Thomas Hawk also [...] [...] more about their encounter at “Wasting Breath” with US Bank Tower’s Security Team and US Bank Tower: The Aftermath.  Some really great reporting on the incident.  Thomas Hawk also [...]

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